Frazzled UBM

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  The limits of science.

  by Seraphim23 in

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  for a long time i have accepted that when a theist inserts god into some as yet not understood scientific matter, it constitutes a god of the gaps argument.

  as a theist myself, the problem with this for me, is that it implies an arbitrary limit on gods ingenuity.

  for example, the idea that god created automatic processes to do certain things in nature, and yet with other things the need for a direct hand to either tweak or directly organise!

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  Seraphim23 - I agree with the sentiments you express in your last post. Fraz
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  The limits of science.

  by Seraphim23 in

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  for a long time i have accepted that when a theist inserts god into some as yet not understood scientific matter, it constitutes a god of the gaps argument.

  as a theist myself, the problem with this for me, is that it implies an arbitrary limit on gods ingenuity.

  for example, the idea that god created automatic processes to do certain things in nature, and yet with other things the need for a direct hand to either tweak or directly organise!

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  The mere existence of what seem to be valid questions that pierce the limits of science, is itself evidence against the science only view. A fundamental separation of nature and the supernatural seems in order to me.

  That which is beyond the limits of science is uncertainty, that is things that cannot be understood more clearly by the use of objective experimentation - it is spurious to use this as a basis for a dichotomy between the natural and supernatural. There is no evidence in support of the supernatural.
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  I now have a law degree!

  by digderidoo in

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  hi guys, i don't really post on here much anymore, having been on here since 2001. this site helped me out in the early days and has been a great support system for all of my past jw issues.

  like many others i was discouraged from an education so that i could window clean and pioneer in my youth during the 80's.

  having spent many years post my jw exit in alcoholism and periods of drugs, i decided to clean myself up 7 years ago by attending aa, i was still a window cleaner ... at the time i wrote extensively on here about my issues.

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  Well done - inspirational story. Good luck with the PhD.
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  Article: Twins separated at birth reveal staggering influence of genetics

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  for discussion.... http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/08/12/twins-separated-at-birth-reveal-staggering-influence-genetics/?intcmp=obnetwork.

  twins separated at birth reveal staggering influence of genetics .

  by tanya lewis.

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  It is bizarre to think that genetics could determine which cigarette brand you smoke
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  The King of the North is getting Angry...

  by rhodesboy in

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  this topic is of a theological nature.

  if you have some scriptural insight, please share.

  grievances are not welcome!.

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  What drivel! The WBTS stated with absolute certainty during the Cold War that the Soviet Union was the King of the North and the US was King of the South. This was all shoved under the carpet when the Cold War ended - until the recent Russia/Ukraine crisis when all of sudden it is getting wheeled out again but using Russia instead of the Soviet Union.

  The suggestion in the OP that: "...rather it is in fact a description of a post, Cold war period of time spanning several decades..." is blatant grasping at straws. The language is so vague and ambiguous that it could encompass countless events in human history between countless different protagonists.

  rhodesboy - my suggestion is that you get a university education in history to equip you with the critical thinking skills to interpret historical and current events so maybe you can stop using your phobia fired imagination instead. Or perhaps you will ignore me on the grounds that rubbishing your theory amounts to a grievance.
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  Disfellowshipped for 3 years. One JW still persistent I will return some day...

  by TimothyTr in

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  for some reason i am not able to log in to my account so i have created this one instead.. as many of you may know i am a disfellowshipped gay.

  here was my story for those who dont:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/215019/1/living-as-a-gay-jehovahs-witness-my-story#.u_mrcvlduvk.

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  Maybe you could gently suggest to her that she needs to accept you for who you are and realise that you can never be happy in an organisation that dictates that you could not have a full happy and fulfilling love life. you might also gnetly suggest to her that you don't believe a loving god would require abstinence by homosexuals as he/she created you in this way and it would be cruel of them to deny you the happiness of a physical and emotional relationship with someone you love. So this has caused you to doubt whether the god portrayed by the organisation is the true god which has in turn caused you to question the prediction of Armageddon.
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  Why is the world full of ATHEISTS?

  by exWTslave in

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  bible describes atheism as a condition of the heart and is all about seeking what is ephemeral, not acting with insight.

  (psalm 14:1, 2) thus it rightly says the whole world is lying in the attraction of what is ephemeral.

  (wicked one is not a correct translation.1 john 5:19) thus even believers who pray to god (for material blessings) are actually atheists as they are not trying to be poor in spirit.

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  exWTSlave's OP is just another Theist stick poking the Atheists hornets nest.
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  Father denies children inheritance unless they quit Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Tiktaalik in

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  an article in the sydney morning herald:.

  http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/father-denies-children-inheritance-unless-they-quit-jehovahs-witnesses-and-become-catholics-20140810-102egl.html#ixzz39yziuuvf.

  "from beyond the grave, father-of-four patrick carroll continued a five-decade crusade to steer his children away from being active jehovah's witnesses and into catholicism.. mr carroll wrote into his will that his adult children were not to receive any inheritance unless they met two conditions: attend his funeral and become catholics within three months of his death.. mr carroll died in april 2012. his children attended the funeral but they did not become catholics and challenged the condition in the nsw supreme court in a bid to still receive their share of his estate.. but justice francois kunc last week ruled that mr carroll was entitled to place such conditions on his will.. the court heard that mr carroll's motivation was not so much about imposing his own beliefs but rather the fact he never approved of his children becoming jehovah's witness.. the court heard that mr carroll did not raise his children as catholics, neither he or they had attended church services when they were young and he did not enroll them in catholic schools.. but when he split from their mother lillian in 1959 she became a jehovah's witness and over the next decade the couple's four children, robyn, paulene, anthony and susan, were baptised as jehovah's witnesses.. mr carroll never approved of "their adherence to that faith", the court heard.. "[lillian's] conversion to that faith enraged mr carroll, who for the rest of his life continued to express his very strong objections to lillian's and the children's member of that faith," justice kunc said in his judgement.. the court was told that all four of his children remain active members of their congregation.. in his will, written in december 2011, four months before he died, mr carroll left more than a third of his estate to his four children "dependent upon them becoming baptised into the catholic church within a period of three months from the date of my death and such gifts are also subject to and dependent my children attending my funeral.".

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  poor ba@st@rd - he had no joy getting them out of the Borg while alive so tried to use his will and that failed as well - but good for him for not giving them a brass razoo for staying in the cult though I am less comfortable with him specifying they had to become Catholics.
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  Robin Williams passes

  by designs in

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  don't know quite what to say.

  just stunned at the news.

  comic genius and actor.. share your favorite robin williams moments.. .

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  So sad - such a great comic. I loved Mork and Mindy, good Morning Vietnam, Mrs Doubtfire, Dead Poets Society, the genie in Aladdin (I just bought the DVD for my son last week - he loved it) almost everything he did. He had severe depression (and substance abuse problems) for a long time so not a total shock - when I heard he had died my first thought was suicide. Both he and Rick Mayall in the same year - two revolutionary comics pass way too young - both of them gave me so much laughter in my teens and 20s.
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  Hubby's tempted to go back

  by jgnat in

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  today he kept bumping in to (or rather dodging and weaving from) fellow witnesses.

  he's talking about returning but can't figure out a way to do it without enduring a fair amount of humiliation.

  i did not panic.

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  Captain Obvious - I found your comments helpful. I am in exactly the position that my wife has stoppe dgoing to meetings but has not talked about it and so I fear she is vulnerable to being pulled back in so I am trying to think of strategies to get her to open up but it is hard. I am thinking of saying to her: "It is good for us (my son and I) that you have stopped going to meetings but I don't want you to feel guilty about it so it would be good it you could let me know if you feel bad about not going so we can talk about it." Do you guys think this will work? Cheers Fraz